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Hello,

Thank you all for your hard work on the ForgeMod.  My 6 year old is desperate for a mod requiring Forge.  (I like Minecraft too!)

 

I've deleted my .minecraft folder and reinstalled 1.3.2 to ensure there would be no conflicting mods.  I used 7zip to unpack the minecraft jar, copied over the files from the MinecraftForge v4.1.1.251 zip file, deleted the META-INF folder, then rezipped all the files.  I renamed it to a .jar extension. 

 

Minecraft appears to start up normally.  (I haven't tried adding any other mods yet)  But when I try to start a single player game... it gets to "Loading World" then  "Building Terrain" and then crashes.  I've tried creating a new world after installing Forge as well as loading a previously built world.

 

The only other possibly strange thing is that for a brief second, after logging in, there is a "task completion bar" in a pop-up window with a message "FML is setting up your minecraft environment".  It doesn't appear that the progress bar is completed before it disappears and I'm at the main menu.  It may be happening too fast ect... I suppose.

 

I've been scouring the forum posts for any related info but so far no luck.  I'm sorry but I can't decipher the crash logs.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

C:\Users\***\Desktop>java -Xincgc -Xmx1024M -cp Minecraft.exe net.minecraft.LauncherFrame

2012-09-24 16:33:33 [iNFO] [ForgeModLoader] Forge Mod Loader version 3.0.196.366 for Minecraft client:1.3.2, server:1.3.2 loading

2012-09-24 16:33:35 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] 27 achievements

2012-09-24 16:33:35 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] 195 recipes

2012-09-24 16:33:35 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] Setting user: **, -4250321223704896443

2012-09-24 16:33:36 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] LWJGL Version: 2.4.2

2012-09-24 16:33:37 [iNFO] [ForgeModLoader] Attempting early MinecraftForge initialization

2012-09-24 16:33:37 [iNFO] [ForgeModLoader] Completed early MinecraftForge initialization

2012-09-24 16:33:37 [iNFO] [ForgeModLoader] Searching C:\Users\**\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\mods for mods

2012-09-24 16:33:37 [iNFO] [ForgeModLoader] Forge Mod Loader has identified 2 mods to load

2012-09-24 16:33:38 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] Starting up SoundSystem...

2012-09-24 16:33:38 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] Initializing LWJGL OpenAL

2012-09-24 16:33:38 [iNFO] [sTDOUT]    (The LWJGL binding of OpenAL.  For more information, see http://www.lwjgl.org)

2012-09-24 16:33:38 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] OpenAL initialized.

2012-09-24 16:33:39 [iNFO] [ForgeModLoader] Forge Mod Loader has successfully loaded 2 mods

2012-09-24 16:33:49 [iNFO] [ForgeModLoader] MinecraftForge v4.1.1.251 Initialized

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR] java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: aux

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at avf.a(RenderEngine.java:428)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at avb.a(RenderGlobal.java:1987)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at up.a(World.java:1354)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at atd.a(SourceFile:128)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at up.d(World.java:1339)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at atd.d(SourceFile:110)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(Minecraft.java:1959)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(Minecraft.java:1885)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at asv.a(NetClientHandler.java:166)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at cs.a(Packet1Login.java:112)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at ba.b(MemoryConnection.java:75)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.l(Minecraft.java:1797)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.J(Minecraft.java:834)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(Minecraft.java:764)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR] Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: aux

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchClassLoader.findClass(RelaunchClassLoader.java:125)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    ... 15 more

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR] Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at org.objectweb.asm.ClassReader.<init>(Unknown Source)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at cpw.mods.fml.common.asm.transformers.SideTransformer.transform(SideTransformer.java:27)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchClassLoader.runTransformers(RelaunchClassLoader.java:167)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchClassLoader.findClass(RelaunchClassLoader.java:118)

2012-09-24 16:33:51 [iNFO] [sTDERR]    ... 17 more

2012-09-24 16:34:01 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] MinecraftForge v4.1.1.251 Initialized

Stopping!

2012-09-24 16:34:01 [iNFO] [sTDOUT] SoundSystem shutting down...

2012-09-24 16:34:01 [iNFO] [sTDOUT]    Author: Paul Lamb, www.paulscode.com

 

 

 

Also the log dumped by the Minecraft app

 

 

---- Minecraft Crash Report ----

// I blame Dinnerbone.

 

Time: 9/24/12 4:18 PM

Description: Unexpected error

 

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: aux

at avf.a(RenderEngine.java:428)

at avb.a(RenderGlobal.java:1987)

at up.a(World.java:1354)

at atd.a(SourceFile:128)

at up.d(World.java:1339)

at atd.d(SourceFile:110)

at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(Minecraft.java:1959)

at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(Minecraft.java:1885)

at asv.a(NetClientHandler.java:166)

at cs.a(Packet1Login.java:112)

at ba.b(MemoryConnection.java:75)

at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.l(Minecraft.java:1797)

at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.J(Minecraft.java:834)

at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(Minecraft.java:764)

at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: aux

at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchClassLoader.findClass(RelaunchClassLoader.java:125)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

... 15 more

Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException

at org.objectweb.asm.ClassReader.<init>(Unknown Source)

at cpw.mods.fml.common.asm.transformers.SideTransformer.transform(SideTransformer.java:27)

at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchClassLoader.runTransformers(RelaunchClassLoader.java:167)

at cpw.mods.fml.relauncher.RelaunchClassLoader.findClass(RelaunchClassLoader.java:118)

... 17 more

 

Relevant Details:

- Minecraft Version: 1.3.2

- Operating System: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1

- Java Version: 1.7.0_07, Oracle Corporation

- Java VM Version: Java HotSpot Client VM (mixed mode), Oracle Corporation

- Memory: 372011328 bytes (354 MB) / 519110656 bytes (495 MB) up to 1037959168 bytes (989 MB)

- JVM Flags: 2 total; -Xms512m -Xmx1024m

- FML: FML v3.0.196.366 Minecraft Forge 4.1.1.251 2 mods loaded, 2 mods active

FML [Forge Mod Loader] (coremods) Unloaded->Constructed->Pre-initialized->Initialized->Post-initialized->Available->Available->Available

Forge [Minecraft Forge] (coremods) Unloaded->Constructed->Pre-initialized->Initialized->Post-initialized->Available->Available->Available

- LWJGL: 2.4.2

- OpenGL: ATI Mobility Radeon X1700 GL version 2.1.8304 Release, ATI Technologies Inc.

- Is Modded: Definitely; 'forge,fml'

- Type: Client

- Texture Pack: Default

- Profiler Position: N/A (disabled)

- World MpServer Entities: 1 total; [atg['**'/322, l='MpServer', x=8.50, y=66.62, z=8.50]]

- World MpServer Players: 1 total; [atg['**'/322, l='MpServer', x=8.50, y=66.62, z=8.50]]

- World MpServer Chunk Stats: MultiplayerChunkCache: 0

- Forced Entities: 0 total; []

- Retry Entities: 0

 

 

 

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I saw those mentioned on an earlier post.  I'll dig in to those and check them out.  Do you think using 7zip to unpack and repack the minecraft jar could cause that?  I can't see how.  I'll repeat but without adding the Forge Files.  If the only thing I do is use 7zip to unpack and repack without any other changes and I get the same error then it must be me.

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OK.  Very interesting.  Sorry I didn't think of checking this before.  I just took a working vanilla minecraft.jar - used 7zip to extract to "\minecraft"  - then selected all files and added them to "minecraft.zip"  then renamed that file "minecraft.jar"

 

Forge Files not added.

 

So... that doesn't work.  I get the same crash.  Probably I'm doing something really dumb.  So I'll check out those other apps you mentioned.  Thanks

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Windows cant have files with 'aux' in the name, so the whole 'extract all of minecraft to a folder' is out.

Why would you do that anyways?

You could just open minecraft.jar in zip and drag stuff in like ti itself was a folder.

But ya, If you try to extract aux to disk, you're doing it wrong.

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[MineStrator Daemon]: Finished pulling Docker container image container@pterodactyl~ java -version openjdk version "17.0.10" 2024-01-16 OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-17.0.10+7 (build 17.0.10+7) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-17.0.10+7 (build 17.0.10+7, mixed mode, sharing) container@pterodactyl~ java -Xms128M -Xmx6302M -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ansi=true -Djline.terminal=jline.UnsupportedTerminal -p libraries/cpw/mods/bootstraplauncher/1.1.2/bootstraplauncher-1.1.2.jar:libraries/cpw/mods/securejarhandler/2.1.4/securejarhandler-2.1.4.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-commons/9.5/asm-commons-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-util/9.5/asm-util-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-analysis/9.5/asm-analysis-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-tree/9.5/asm-tree-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm/9.5/asm-9.5.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/JarJarFileSystems/0.3.16/JarJarFileSystems-0.3.16.jar --add-modules ALL-MODULE-PATH --add-opens java.base/java.util.jar=cpw.mods.securejarhandler --add-opens java.base/java.lang.invoke=cpw.mods.securejarhandler --add-exports java.base/sun.security.util=cpw.mods.securejarhandler --add-exports jdk.naming.dns/com.sun.jndi.dns=java.naming -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=system -DignoreList=bootstraplauncher-1.1.2.jar,securejarhandler-2.1.4.jar,asm-commons-9.5.jar,asm-util-9.5.jar,asm-analysis-9.5.jar,asm-tree-9.5.jar,asm-9.5.jar,JarJarFileSystems-0.3.16.jar -DlibraryDirectory=libraries -DlegacyClassPath=libraries/cpw/mods/securejarhandler/2.1.4/securejarhandler-2.1.4.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm/9.5/asm-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-commons/9.5/asm-commons-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-tree/9.5/asm-tree-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-util/9.5/asm-util-9.5.jar:libraries/org/ow2/asm/asm-analysis/9.5/asm-analysis-9.5.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/accesstransformers/8.0.4/accesstransformers-8.0.4.jar:libraries/org/antlr/antlr4-runtime/4.9.1/antlr4-runtime-4.9.1.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/eventbus/6.0.3/eventbus-6.0.3.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/forgespi/6.0.0/forgespi-6.0.0.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/coremods/5.0.1/coremods-5.0.1.jar:libraries/cpw/mods/modlauncher/10.0.8/modlauncher-10.0.8.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/unsafe/0.2.0/unsafe-0.2.0.jar:libraries/com/electronwill/night-config/core/3.6.4/core-3.6.4.jar:libraries/com/electronwill/night-config/toml/3.6.4/toml-3.6.4.jar:libraries/org/apache/maven/maven-artifact/3.8.5/maven-artifact-3.8.5.jar:libraries/net/jodah/typetools/0.8.3/typetools-0.8.3.jar:libraries/net/minecrell/terminalconsoleappender/1.2.0/terminalconsoleappender-1.2.0.jar:libraries/org/jline/jline-reader/3.12.1/jline-reader-3.12.1.jar:libraries/org/jline/jline-terminal/3.12.1/jline-terminal-3.12.1.jar:libraries/org/spongepowered/mixin/0.8.5/mixin-0.8.5.jar:libraries/org/openjdk/nashorn/nashorn-core/15.3/nashorn-core-15.3.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/JarJarSelector/0.3.16/JarJarSelector-0.3.16.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/JarJarMetadata/0.3.16/JarJarMetadata-0.3.16.jar:libraries/net/minecraftforge/fmlloader/1.19.2-43.3.0/fmlloader-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar:libraries/net/minecraft/server/1.19.2-20220805.130853/server-1.19.2-20220805.130853-extra.jar:libraries/com/github/oshi/oshi-core/5.8.5/oshi-core-5.8.5.jar:libraries/com/google/code/gson/gson/2.8.9/gson-2.8.9.jar:libraries/com/google/guava/failureaccess/1.0.1/failureaccess-1.0.1.jar:libraries/com/google/guava/guava/31.0.1-jre/guava-31.0.1-jre.jar:libraries/com/mojang/authlib/3.11.49/authlib-3.11.49.jar:libraries/com/mojang/brigadier/1.0.18/brigadier-1.0.18.jar:libraries/com/mojang/datafixerupper/5.0.28/datafixerupper-5.0.28.jar:libraries/com/mojang/javabridge/1.2.24/javabridge-1.2.24.jar:libraries/com/mojang/logging/1.0.0/logging-1.0.0.jar:libraries/commons-io/commons-io/2.11.0/commons-io-2.11.0.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-buffer/4.1.77.Final/netty-buffer-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-codec/4.1.77.Final/netty-codec-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-common/4.1.77.Final/netty-common-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-handler/4.1.77.Final/netty-handler-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-resolver/4.1.77.Final/netty-resolver-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-transport/4.1.77.Final/netty-transport-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-transport-classes-epoll/4.1.77.Final/netty-transport-classes-epoll-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-transport-native-epoll/4.1.77.Final/netty-transport-native-epoll-4.1.77.Final-linux-x86_64.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-transport-native-epoll/4.1.77.Final/netty-transport-native-epoll-4.1.77.Final-linux-aarch_64.jar:libraries/io/netty/netty-transport-native-unix-common/4.1.77.Final/netty-transport-native-unix-common-4.1.77.Final.jar:libraries/it/unimi/dsi/fastutil/8.5.6/fastutil-8.5.6.jar:libraries/net/java/dev/jna/jna/5.10.0/jna-5.10.0.jar:libraries/net/java/dev/jna/jna-platform/5.10.0/jna-platform-5.10.0.jar:libraries/net/sf/jopt-simple/jopt-simple/5.0.4/jopt-simple-5.0.4.jar:libraries/org/apache/commons/commons-lang3/3.12.0/commons-lang3-3.12.0.jar:libraries/org/apache/logging/log4j/log4j-api/2.17.0/log4j-api-2.17.0.jar:libraries/org/apache/logging/log4j/log4j-core/2.17.0/log4j-core-2.17.0.jar:libraries/org/apache/logging/log4j/log4j-slf4j18-impl/2.17.0/log4j-slf4j18-impl-2.17.0.jar:libraries/org/slf4j/slf4j-api/1.8.0-beta4/slf4j-api-1.8.0-beta4.jar cpw.mods.bootstraplauncher.BootstrapLauncher --launchTarget forgeserver --fml.forgeVersion 43.3.0 --fml.mcVersion 1.19.2 --fml.forgeGroup net.minecraftforge --fml.mcpVersion 20220805.130853 [00:02:42] [main/INFO] [cp.mo.mo.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher running: args [--launchTarget, forgeserver, --fml.forgeVersion, 43.3.0, --fml.mcVersion, 1.19.2, --fml.forgeGroup, net.minecraftforge, --fml.mcpVersion, 20220805.130853] [00:02:42] [main/INFO] [cp.mo.mo.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher 10.0.8+10.0.8+main.0ef7e830 starting: java version 17.0.10 by Eclipse Adoptium; OS Linux arch amd64 version 6.1.0-12-amd64 [00:02:43] [main/INFO] [mixin/]: SpongePowered MIXIN Subsystem Version=0.8.5 Source=union:/home/container/libraries/org/spongepowered/mixin/0.8.5/mixin-0.8.5.jar%2363!/ Service=ModLauncher Env=SERVER [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/fmlcore/1.19.2-43.3.0/fmlcore-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/javafmllanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/javafmllanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/lowcodelanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/lowcodelanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/mclanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/mclanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:44] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.ja.se.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select two dependency jars from JarJar which have the same identification: Mod File: and Mod File: . Using Mod File: [00:02:44] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.ja.se.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select a dependency jar for JarJar which was passed in as source: resourcefullib. Using Mod File: /home/container/mods/resourcefullib-forge-1.19.2-1.1.24.jar [00:02:44] [main/INFO] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.JarInJarDependencyLocator/]: Found 13 dependencies adding them to mods collection Latest log [29Mar2024 00:02:42.803] [main/INFO] [cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher running: args [--launchTarget, forgeserver, --fml.forgeVersion, 43.3.0, --fml.mcVersion, 1.19.2, --fml.forgeGroup, net.minecraftforge, --fml.mcpVersion, 20220805.130853] [29Mar2024 00:02:42.805] [main/INFO] [cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher 10.0.8+10.0.8+main.0ef7e830 starting: java version 17.0.10 by Eclipse Adoptium; OS Linux arch amd64 version 6.1.0-12-amd64 [29Mar2024 00:02:43.548] [main/INFO] [mixin/]: SpongePowered MIXIN Subsystem Version=0.8.5 Source=union:/home/container/libraries/org/spongepowered/mixin/0.8.5/mixin-0.8.5.jar%2363!/ Service=ModLauncher Env=SERVER [29Mar2024 00:02:43.876] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/fmlcore/1.19.2-43.3.0/fmlcore-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:43.877] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/javafmllanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/javafmllanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:43.877] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/lowcodelanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/lowcodelanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:43.878] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/mclanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/mclanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:44.033] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.jarjar.selection.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select two dependency jars from JarJar which have the same identification: Mod File: and Mod File: . Using Mod File: [29Mar2024 00:02:44.034] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.jarjar.selection.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select a dependency jar for JarJar which was passed in as source: resourcefullib. Using Mod File: /home/container/mods/resourcefullib-forge-1.19.2-1.1.24.jar [29Mar2024 00:02:44.034] [main/INFO] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.JarInJarDependencyLocator/]: Found 13 dependencies adding them to mods collection
    • I am unable to do that. Brigadier is a mojang library that parses commands.
    • Hi, i appreciate the answer. I would love to do that, but we have active players with all their belongings in SSN. Also this mod is really handy and they would be mad if we removed it. Are you really certain that SSN is causing this? It would require lots of work to test it and SSN was not really an issue before we removed Fast Suite. Can it be related somehow? I will provide you with log before removing FS. PasteBin: https://pastebin.com/Y5EpLpNe (crash before removing Fast Suite, which I suspected to be a problem from some crash before)
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