Thanks for the response however you said that it could be an mcp issue. I've been using mcp and modloader for well over a year and never had an issue with any version, this problem only arises when i use forge. I think it's possible that forge changes something to do with retroguard since mcp usually says 'applying retroguard' and the forge setup says 'really applying retroguard'. i agree that it may also be slow however i've left it for over half an hour and it dosnt move.