Nevermind its happening again. the forge install says things like: Considering library net.minecraftforge:forge:1.8-11.14.3.1450: Not Downloading
for all the libraries
Minecraft forge 1.8 installs and says the install completed successfully but it doesnt copy any files, folders or even create a forge version or profile, ive tried a few different 1.8 versions using the windows installer and the regular installer and still no luck. Im running windows vista 64bit if anyone needs to know that, thanks