Teaching Coding with Minecraft Forge?

[aasharp]

Hello,

 

I am a technology teacher and we are trying to teach kids how to code through Minecraft Modding.

We would like to use the Forge API to do this, but I wanted to make sure that we are abiding by the license of the software before we proceed.

 

Could someone in a position to comment on this please contact me to discuss this further or if you know who I should talk to please let me know.

 

Thanks,

[LexManos]

What exactly are you wanting to do?

We have no issue with using Forge in order to educate people. We actually encourage it.

We make great strives to try and cleanup the minecraft code base so it's easier to learn from.

 

There is a project out there that you may want to talk to called MCEdu. May be something you want to start off with.

 

Our license is fairly simple, you can do what you want as long as you follow a few basic things:

1) Don't claim our work as yours

2) Do not directly make money off our work

3) Don't be a twat.

[aasharp]

Hey LexManos,

 

Thanks for the quick response.

I actually have a few specific follow-up questions about this - would you mind if I asked them in a private message?

 

I tried but it said that I don't have permission.

 

Thanks again,

[LexManos]

Feel free to ask them publicly.

I don't particularly like private messages unless it's legally needed.

[aasharp]

Hey Lexmanos,

 

The only question I still have is about MCP.

As I'm sure you know, the license on the MCP website says that you are not allowed to:

Release modified or unmodified versions of MCP anywhere.

 

We just want to make sure that if we have our students use Forge, we are not violating their terms of use.

 

Thanks!

[LexManos]

Forge has permission to download and distribute parts of MCP. We don't actually ship MCP we ship a condensed version of the conf folder which is the mappings.

Our install scripts download MCP from there web site directly.

 

If you are concerned about MCP though, you can e-mail them and get permissions yourself.

[aasharp]

Hi LexManos,

Thanks again for all the info.

 

I'm really sorry that I have to ask about this, but before we begin our class and have all our students download Forge, I just need to confirm that you officially speak for Forge.

 

I tried to look through the site to find official Forge Staff / Employees... but could not say with 100% certainty who that would be.

 

I know it's a kind of awkward question to ask / answer, but I just wanted to confirm for sure to be thorough.

 

Thanks once again,

[LexManos]

https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/contributors

[aasharp]

Hello again, Lexmanos,

 

I know I mentioned it above, but I teach students (ages 8-14) how to Make Minecraft Mods using Minecraft Forge (1.6.4).

The problem I'm having is that, as Forge is being developed, the original installer that we tell the kids to use (where they just double-click on install.cmd) goes in and out of working condition.

 

For example: Last week, we had the "http 403 forbidden error" that was resolved here:

http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/topic,11001.0.html

 

Most recently, we are having "Failed to download" issues that I think are the result of the move over to the new Gradle system.

 

It's wonderful that so much development is always going on, but is it possible to have a link to a "src" download that would always stay in working condition, even if it is out of date?

 

What I mean is:

Could there be an older version of Forge (for 1.6.4) that would stay the same and not go out of order while Forge is being developed?

 

Thanks in advance,

[aasharp]

Thanks for your reply diesieben,

 

Do you know if the issue I linked is similar to the issue that is going on right now with the forge-1.6.4-9.11.1.953-src download?

When you run Install.cmd right now, you get the following output:

 

================ Forge ModLoader Setup Start ===================

Checking MCP zip (may take time to download)

Extracting MCP to 'C:\Users\Aaron\Desktop\forge\mcp'

Setting up MCP

Patching commands.py

patching file commands.py

    Commands patch applied successfully

Copying FML conf

Creating Repackaged data

    Creating re-packaged srg

    Creating re-packaged exc

    Creating re-packaged MCP patches

Fixing MCP Workspace

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aven2/org/ow2/asm/asm-debug-all/4.1/asm-debug-all-4.1.jar

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he.org/maven2/org/ow2/asm/asm-debug-all/4.1/asm-debug-all-4.1-sources.jar

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s.jar

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rg/maven2/org/scala-lang/scala-compiler/2.10.2/scala-compiler-2.10.2.jar

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en2/net/sf/jopt-simple/jopt-simple/4.5/jopt-simple-4.5.jar

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org/lwjgl/lwjgl/lwjgl/2.9.0/lwjgl-2.9.0.jar

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/maven2/org/lwjgl/lwjgl/lwjgl/2.9.0/lwjgl-2.9.0-sources.jar

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ven2/org/lwjgl/lwjgl/lwjgl_util/2.9.0/lwjgl_util-2.9.0.jar

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e.org/maven2/org/lwjgl/lwjgl/lwjgl_util/2.9.0/lwjgl_util-2.9.0-sources.jar

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aven2/net/sourceforge/argo/argo/2.25/argo-2.25-sources.jar

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.jar

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maven2/com/google/guava/guava/14.0/guava-14.0-sources.jar

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he.org/maven2/org/apache/commons/commons-lang3/3.1/commons-lang3-3.1-sources.jar

 

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maven2/com/google/code/gson/gson/2.2.2/gson-2.2.2-sources.jar

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Backing up client

Downloaded 1.6.4.jar

Backing up server

Downloaded minecraft_server.1.6.4.jar

Something failed verifying minecraft files, see log for details.

Decompile Exception: 1

Press any key to continue . . .

 

 

Do you know if there's a fix for this current issue?

Is it also just editing a link in one of the config files?

 

Another question I have going forward is:

Will it be possible to continue using this version of the Forge src without switching over to the gradle system?

 

Thanks again,

[luacs1998]

Why do you not want to use gradle, it's the only way to mod with forge in 1.7.

[aasharp]

Hello Lucas,

 

I would eventually want to switch to 1.6.4 - but many of my students spent a long time learning 1.6.4 learning in this framework and we would like to continue using it for a while as we're in the middle of a semester...

 

We will eventually switch to 1.7, just probably in a while.

 

Do you have any ideas for a solution?

 

Thanks,

[luacs1998]

src build 964, 1.6.4, AND gradle.

[aasharp]

Hey Lucas,

 

We found a temporary solution to this where we disabled the md5 checks in the fml.py and fml.json python scripts.

This solves the problem but I'm afraid it may only be a temporary / unsustainable solution.

 

Let me know if you're not sure what I'm talking about and I can elaborate.

 

Do you know if this fix has any negative consequences / if it will cause problems down the road?

 

Thanks!

[LexManos]

Again this is stuff we can not control as it's changes on OTHERS {Read: Mojang's and Maven Central's} servers that break our stuff.

Nothing we can do but update and adapt.

In the old python way that requires me to manually go in and edit the python, rebuild the src zips, reupload them to the servers and tell you to re-download them.

In the new Gradle system, it means that I fix them in our repo and your system automatically downloads those updates.

This is one of the MAJOR {but not the only} reasons why we moved over to the new Gradle system.

If you continue to use the python system it's at your own volition.

As laucus said, we have a few 1.6.4 builds that use the gradle system. The only "problem" with those builds and why they are not recomended is that they pre-maturely removed ModLoader compatibility. And rather then deal with dropping that mid-minecraft version. I just disabled the end user installers for those versions.

 

However if you're using the src version you're best off using the gradle as 1) It can make 953 compatible mods just fine 2) It's more future proof {nothing is ever fully future proof} 3) It is more reflective of how the future of Minecraft Modding is actually going to be, esp post 1.7.

 

So in short: We can not control what other people do, so either use what we say to use, or prepare to deal with the issues yourself.