Server with Forge accepting vanilla clients

[copygirl]

I started making a server mod with optional client mod only to get surprised by this message after trying to connect with a vanilla client to a Forge server:

 

"You don't have FML installed, or your installation is too old"

 

Does this mean Forge servers will not accept any vanilla clients?

If so, why is that? And would it be possible/a good idea to change that for future versions of Forge?

 

Thanks.

 

PS: Maybe this is just me derping up. My mod has clientSideRequired set to false though, so not sure if it's my fault.

[Mattredsox]

You will need forge and any installed mods to join a modded server. However there is a bukkit plugin called Miltimodworld (http://www.mcportcentral.co.za/index.php?topic=929.0). It is still 1.2.5 but It allows you to make a modded world and unmodded. Vanilla clients can join the unmodded default world.

[copygirl]

  On 8/26/2012 at 8:24 PM, Mattredsox said:

You will need forge and any installed mods to join a modded server. However there is a bukkit plugin called Miltimodworld (http://www.mcportcentral.co.za/index.php?topic=929.0). It is still 1.2.5 but It allows you to make a modded world and unmodded. Vanilla clients can join the unmodded default world.

Thanks for the info, but that doesn't really help me as a mod developer.

[OvermindDL1]

Forge/FML packets are altered, so yes, need it on both sides.

[copygirl]

  On 8/26/2012 at 11:56 PM, OvermindDL1 said:

Forge/FML packets are altered, so yes, need it on both sides.

What's the reason for that? And would it be possible to remove the need for clients to have forge installed in the future?

It's kind of weird, as a player, having to install a mod loader/API without installing any actual mods that use it (in this rare case).

[SanAndreaP]

  On 8/27/2012 at 10:58 AM, copygirl said:

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Forge/FML packets are altered, so yes, need it on both sides.

What's the reason for that? And would it be possible to remove the need for clients to have forge installed in the future?

It's kind of weird, as a player, having to install a mod loader/API without installing any actual mods that use it (in this rare case).

 

Because Forge needs to alter packages for various hooks and because the Client runs internally a server now (which needs packets, too), I doubt this will be changed.

[copygirl]

  On 8/27/2012 at 1:29 PM, SanAndreasP said:

Because Forge needs to alter packages for various hooks and because the Client runs internally a server now (which needs packets, too), I doubt this will be changed.

Mind explaining that to someone who does not yet have understanding of the inner workings of Forge? Which packets are altered and why? And why do you think this won't get changed?

Also what do you mean by "because the Client runs internally a server now"? I don't see why that would matter in this case.

 

Thanks for all the responses so far.

 

I'm aware that making a plugin for Bukkit instead would be the better choice, but I'm not a fan of it. Also Forge is meant/used mainly for Client mods, I think. Though I see no reasons not to perhaps change that in there future, are there any? It would be cool to be able to develop mods that work on the server, and are only optional on the client, without the need for Forge, so it works with vanilla clients as well.

[LexManos]

It doesnt alter any packets, it however does interrupt the login sequence to do things that are absolutely necessary to make mods work.

Almost every mod has a client side componenet, or SHOULD have a client side component, so needing Forge client side is not that big of a deal.

If you want to work around it bukkit is designed for soley server side mods, and with CB+ Forge and Bukkit work together just fine.

[OvermindDL1]

Close enough.