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I was wondering How much java should I know before starting serious modding. by serious modding i mean not just items and blocks. I want to do custom rendered blocks and power systems and multi blocks and stuff like that. anyways thanks everyone for helping me like always

 

 

 

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If you're going to do stuff with power systems, you're really going to need to know how to program efficiently.  That whole Big-O notation thing.

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Unfortunately it's kind of hard to gauge how much is 'enough'.

 

Ideally, you'd have an understanding of:

 

Classes

Methods

Primitive types (boolean, int, short, long, float, char, as well as String)

Inheritance (extending classes and also using interfaces)

Basic data structures (Arrays, Lists, etc)

Using Public/Private/Final/etc modifiers for methods and variables when appropriate

If, For, Else, While, Do, Switch statements - How they work and when to use them

Recursive methods (which can save you a lot of coding)

Basic logic (!= not equal, && and, || or, == equal, etc)

Some understanding of packets, hopefully

 

I've probably missed a bunch here, but that's what springs to mind. A lot of it you can learn on the way while poking through vanilla Minecraft classes. Once you wrap your head around certain Minecraft-specific things (Blocks have an associated TileEntity, that TileEntity can implement a Container, that Container can implement Slots, and the whole shebang can be looked at with a GUI activated by the block), things tend to make more sense.

 

I first dealt with Java while doing Minecraft modding, now I've come back after taking University classes on the subject. A lot of what we covered in the introductory courses I had already learned just from playing around with Forge for a week.

 

And remember, Google is your friend. There are plenty of good online tutorials for learning the basics of Java.

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Hi

 

I think a good general rule is that when you don't know enough Java to understand how the vanilla code for some feature works after studying it for a while, then you probably need more practice before you implement something similar.

 

If I were going to recommend a checklist I'd say you need to be comfortable with the following concepts to do anything "serious" in Minecraft

 

- know the basic syntax (keywords like for, switch, if, while, do, final, static, public etc)

- understand the different types of variables (int, byte, float, etc)

- understand what inheritance is and how it works (extends), instanceof and casting (MyBaseObject)derivedObject;

- have a good working knowledge of the container classes (ArrayLists, HashMaps, etc)

- understand the difference between

MyObject a = b;

and

MyObject a = b.clone();

or

MyObject a = new Object(b);

 

- know the difference between

a == b

and

a.equals(b)

 

Knowing a bit about OpenGL would help too

http://www.glprogramming.com/red/index.html

 

- know how to use your integrated debugger properly (breakpoints, watches, etc)

 

Once you're comfortable with that lot, then you've got a decent chance of understanding the vanilla code and learning how to create your own stuff.

 

Reading up on good coding style and code design would be a bit help (eg "Effective Java" textbook)

 

My only other advice would be to create small pieces and test them one by one.  So if you're making a mod with fifteen types of new weapons that fire everything from bullets to small nukes, start with just a bullet-

(1) copy a class from vanilla (say - snowball) into your own classes and see if you can spawn it.

(2) Once that works, test whether you can spawn it and it flies through the air straight until it hits something. 

(3) Once that works, add a damage effect for when it hits a mob.

(4) etc etc

There's nothing worse than coding up a storm for 3 days and then when you try to test it nothing works, it takes hours to find any bug because you don't know which parts of the code are reliable and which aren't, every time you try to fix something it breaks something else, you realise you made a couple of incorrect assumptions so half of the code you wrote is useless and has to be scrapped, etc etc

 

Apart from anything else, coding & testing in small chunks is much more rewarding because you get a better sense of progress and it's good to change between coding & debugging fairly often, keeps you from getting bored.

 

-TGG

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There's nothing worse than coding up a storm for 3 days and then when you try to test it nothing works, it takes hours to find any bug because you don't know which parts of the code are reliable and which aren't, every time you try to fix something it breaks something else, you realise you made a couple of incorrect assumptions so half of the code you wrote is useless and has to be scrapped, etc etc

 

Apart from anything else, coding & testing in small chunks is much more rewarding because you get a better sense of progress and it's good to change between coding & debugging fairly often, keeps you from getting bored.

 

Also know when you've coded yourself into a corner.  Even if it works, but the way you've done it you've had to make sacrifices due to some assumption here or how you set your data up over there.

 

In the little project I did over the last few days I got to a spot where it's not viable to keep working because my data structures won't support it.  In order to do something simple like locate a topological feature I have to iterate through one of four different arrays and compare datapoints with at least one of the other remaining three.

 

i.e. I have an array that holds vertex locations.  I have another array that holds triangles (that references indices in the vertex array).  I then have yet another array that holds the edges of those triangles (because the triangle array wasn't set up to be useful for the next step of what I was doing).  I then have an array of objects that exist visually, which are related to the vertex array.

 

In order to draw a series of lines between my objects I need to find which object I want to draw from, and to, then locate the relevant edge in the edge array.  If it exists (as not every object is connected to every other object).

 

So I need to scrap everything I have, use what I learned, and find a single cohesive way of storing the data so I can reference and modify it in the various ways I need to.

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None                                     |     | LCHIJA | universalmodcore            | 1.2.1                 | UniversalModCore-1.12.2-forge-1.2.1.jar           | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | immersiverailroading        | 1.10.0                | ImmersiveRailroading-1.12.2-forge-1.10.0.jar      | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | journeymap                  | 1.12.2-5.7.1p2        | journeymap-1.12.2-5.7.1p2.jar                     | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | zawa                        | 1.12.2-2.1.3          | zawa-1.12.2-2.1.3.jar                             | 3ee471ded1bba54aa82f4f5ca5ca82dd67b8ef42 |     | LCHIJA | lilcritters                 | 1.12.2-1.1.0.0        | Lil-Critters-Mod-Forge-1.12.2.jar                 | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | malisiscore                 | 1.12.2-6.5.1-SNAPSHOT | MalisisCore-1.12.2.jar                            | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | malisisdoors                | 1.12.2-7.3.0          | MalisisDoors-Mod-1.12.2.jar                       | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | mcwbridges                  | 1.0.6                 | mcw-bridges-1.0.6b-mc1.12.2.jar                   | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | mcwfences                   | 1.0.0                 | mcw-fences-1.0.0-mc1.12.2.jar                     | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | mcwroofs                    | 1.0.2                 | mcw-roofs-1.0.2-mc1.12.2.jar                      | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | moon-core                   | 7.0                   | Moons-Core-Forge-1.12.2.jar                       | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | mrtjpcore                   | 2.1.4.43              | MrTJPCore-1.12.2-2.1.4.43-universal.jar           | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | railcraft                   | 12.0.0                | railcraft-12.0.0.jar                              | a0c255ac501b2749537d5824bb0f0588bf0320fa |     | LCHIJA | mtr                         | 3.0.0                 | MTR-1.12.2-alpha-test-0.0.1.jar                   | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | kadwinjpvehicles            | 2.0.0                 | MTS_Kadwin_JP_Vehicles_Pack_4.1.jar               | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | ngtlib                      | 2.4.21                | NGTLib2.4.21-38_forge-1.12.2-14.23.2.2611.jar     | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectintelligence         | 1.0.9                 | ProjectIntelligence-1.12.2-1.0.9.28-universal.jar | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | nei                         | 2.4.3                 | NotEnoughItems-1.12.2-2.4.3.245-universal.jar     | f1850c39b2516232a2108a7bd84d1cb5df93b261 |     | LCHIJA | oe                          | 1.0.7                 | OceanicExpanse-1.0.7.jar                          | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | openmods                    | 0.12.2                | OpenModsLib-1.12.2-0.12.2.jar                     | d2a9a8e8440196e26a268d1f3ddc01b2e9c572a5 |     | LCHIJA | openblocks                  | 1.8.1                 | OpenBlocks-1.12.2-1.8.1.jar                       | d2a9a8e8440196e26a268d1f3ddc01b2e9c572a5 |     | LCHIJA | placeableitems              | 3.3                   | placeableitems-3.3.jar                            | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectred-core             | 4.9.4.120             | ProjectRed-1.12.2-4.9.4.120-Base.jar              | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectred-integration      | 4.9.4.120             | ProjectRed-1.12.2-4.9.4.120-integration.jar       | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectred-transmission     | 4.9.4.120             | ProjectRed-1.12.2-4.9.4.120-integration.jar       | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectred-illumination     | 4.9.4.120             | ProjectRed-1.12.2-4.9.4.120-lighting.jar          | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectred-expansion        | 4.9.4.120             | ProjectRed-1.12.2-4.9.4.120-mechanical.jar        | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectred-relocation       | 4.9.4.120             | ProjectRed-1.12.2-4.9.4.120-mechanical.jar        | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | projectred-transportation   | 4.9.4.120             | ProjectRed-1.12.2-4.9.4.120-mechanical.jar        | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | rtm                         | 2.4.24                | RTM2.4.24-43_forge-1.12.2-14.23.2.2611.jar        | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | trafficcontrol              | 1.1.1                 | trafficcontrol-1.1.1.jar                          | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | travelersbackpack           | 1.0.35                | TravelersBackpack-1.12.2-1.0.35.jar               | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | iv_tpp                      | 2.22.0                | Trin Parts Pack-1.12.2-2.23.1.jar                 | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | unucivil                    | 6.3.0                 | UNU Civilian Pack [MTS] 1.12.2-22.13.0-6.3.0.jar  | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | vehicle                     | 0.44.1                | vehicle-mod-0.44.1-1.12.2.jar                     | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | wawla                       | 2.6.275               | Wawla-1.12.2-2.6.275.jar                          | d476d1b22b218a10d845928d1665d45fce301b27 |     | LCHIJA | worldedit                   | 6.1.10                | worldedit-forge-mc1.12.2-6.1.10-dist.jar          | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | worldstatecheckpoints       | 1.12.2.1.2.1          | WorldStateCheckpoints-client-1.12.2.1.2.1.jar     | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | wrcbe                       | 2.3.2                 | WR-CBE-1.12.2-2.3.2.33-universal.jar              | f1850c39b2516232a2108a7bd84d1cb5df93b261 |     | LCHIJA | zoocraftdiscoveries         | 1.0                   | Zoocraft+Discoveries+1.12.2-1.3.0.jar             | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | immersiveengineering        | 0.12-98               | ImmersiveEngineering-0.12-98.jar                  | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | fix-rtm                     | 2.0.28                | fixRtm-2.0.28.jar                                 | None                                     |     | LCHIJA | mysticallib                 | 1.12.2-1.13.0         | mysticallib-1.12.2-1.13.0.jar                     | None                                     |     Loaded coremods (and transformers): ForgelinPlugin (Forgelin-1.8.3.jar)   PatchingFixRtmCorePlugin (fixRtm-2.0.28.jar)   com.anatawa12.fixRtm.asm.patching.PatchApplier IELoadingPlugin (ImmersiveEngineering-core-0.12-98.jar)   blusunrize.immersiveengineering.common.asm.IEClassTransformer FixRtmCorePlugin (fixRtm-2.0.28.jar)   JarInJarLoaderCoreMod (fixRtm-2.0.28.jar)   com.anatawa12.fixRtm.jarInJar.JarInJarPatcher BetterFoliageLoader (BetterFoliage-MC1.12-2.3.2.jar)   mods.betterfoliage.loader.BetterFoliageTransformer SecurityCraftLoadingPlugin ([1.12.2] SecurityCraft v1.9.9.jar)   OpenModsCorePlugin (OpenModsLib-1.12.2-0.12.2.jar)   openmods.core.OpenModsClassTransformer MalisisCorePlugin (MalisisCore-1.12.2.jar)   ObfuscatePlugin (obfuscate-0.4.2-1.12.2.jar)   com.mrcrayfish.obfuscate.asm.ObfuscateTransformer CTMCorePlugin (CTM-MC1.12.2-1.0.2.31.jar)   team.chisel.ctm.client.asm.CTMTransformer HookingFixRtmCorePlugin (fixRtm-2.0.28.jar)   com.anatawa12.fixRtm.asm.hooking.HookingTransformer     GL info: ' Vendor: 'NVIDIA Corporation' Version: '4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.86' Renderer: 'NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070/PCIe/SSE2'     OpenModsLib class transformers: [llama_null_fix:FINISHED],[horse_base_null_fix:FINISHED],[pre_world_render_hook:FINISHED],[player_render_hook:FINISHED],[horse_null_fix:FINISHED]     RTM Model Status: Initialized 1048 models, Using 0 models     I = Initialized, C = Constructed, SMP = SMP includeds     | model pack                                      | all | I | C   | SMP |     |:----------------------------------------------- |:--- |:- |:--- |:--- |     | mods\ModelPack_Nak_5_Structure_240313.zip       | 458 | 0 | 458 | 0   |     | mods\RTM2.4.24-43_forge-1.12.2-14.23.2.2611.jar | 281 | 0 | 281 | 0   |     | mods\rtm_Saracalias Pack v0.2.01.zip            | 309 | 0 | 309 | 0   |     Launched Version: 1.12.2-forge-14.23.5.2859     LWJGL: 2.9.4     OpenGL: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070/PCIe/SSE2 GL version 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.86, NVIDIA Corporation     GL Caps: Using GL 1.3 multitexturing. Using GL 1.3 texture combiners. Using framebuffer objects because OpenGL 3.0 is supported and separate blending is supported. Shaders are available because OpenGL 2.1 is supported. VBOs are available because OpenGL 1.5 is supported.     Using VBOs: Yes     Is Modded: Definitely; Client brand changed to 'fml,forge'     Type: Client (map_client.txt)     Resource Packs: NickMiner69V2.zip, MPT-4.zip, feldbahnpackv1-3.zip, G_P_Narrow_Gauge_Texel_Pack_V1.0.3.zip     Current Language: English (US)     Profiler Position: N/A (disabled)     CPU: 8x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz     OptiFine Version: OptiFine_1.12.2_HD_U_G5     OptiFine Build: 20210124-142939     Render Distance Chunks: 12     Mipmaps: 4     Anisotropic Filtering: 1     Antialiasing: 0     Multitexture: false     Shaders: null     OpenGlVersion: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 551.86     OpenGlRenderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070/PCIe/SSE2     OpenGlVendor: NVIDIA Corporation     CpuCount: 8
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