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Hi,

 

I'm looking for some guidance on how best to describe what Forge is and its relationship to Minecraft.   I have been asked to give a "Ted Talk" style presentation at work about how I ( a non-programmer by profession, I work in HR) learned to program (still learning) in Java.   The angle of the talk will be "How I learned Java by playing Minecraft" or something like that.   The point of the talk is to encourage non-programmers in the audience that anyone can get into programming, if you find the right motivation.

 

There will also be people from our technology divisions in the audience, so when I describe Forge, I don't what to be talking out my "behind" and look uninformed.  I'm looking for simple and technically accurate.

 

I also expect to get the question: "How does Forge do that, isn't that illegal?  Aren't they hacking Minecraft?"   So a straightforward answer to that would be help.

 

Thank you in advance and regards.

 

 

Oscarita25 Creeper Killer

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1 hour ago, kwpugh said:

I also expect to get the question: "How does Forge do that, isn't that illegal?  Aren't they hacking Minecraft?"   So a straightforward answer to that would be help.

 


This is 100% allowed by Minecraft as in the eula described:
 

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If you've bought the Game, you may play around with it and modify it. We'd appreciate it if you didn't use this for griefing, though, and remember not to distribute the changed versions of our software. Basically, mods (or plugins, or tools) are cool (you can distribute those), hacked versions of the Game client or server are not (you can't distribute those).

 

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Forge was initially a jar mod (you would directly drop it into the minecraft jar) which is legally questionable.

It was quickly converted to load by wrapping the minecraft launch and modifying specific class as they were loaded (with binary patches that were applied to the raw bytes of the classes as they were loaded from disk). This method is a lot less questionable.

Since 1.13.2 it applies it’s patches once (at install time) to a copy of the minecraft jar which it then launches. This removes the time it took to patch the files each launch making loading faster.

 

Forge is “the unofficial modding API for minecraft”.

 

It provides an abstraction layer on top of Minecraft and many useful API features. It allows many mods to load at the same time in a highly compatible manner.

 

If you’re interested in how Forge applies it’s patches google “delta patching” and “java ASM”/“bytecode modification”.

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2 hours ago, Cadiboo said:

“java ASM”/“bytecode modification”

Do be careful though, this is a dark abyss that looks back at you.

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[mixin/]: @Mixin target de.teamlapen.vampirism.client.renderer.entity.layers.VampirePlayerHeadLayer was not found mixins.epicfight.json:VampirismMixinVampirePlayerHeadLayer [20:25:35] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: de/teamlapen/werewolves/client/render/layer/HumanWerewolfLayer (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: de.teamlapen.werewolves.client.render.layer.HumanWerewolfLayer) [20:25:35] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: @Mixin target de.teamlapen.werewolves.client.render.layer.HumanWerewolfLayer was not found mixins.epicfight.json:WerewolvesMixinHumanWerewolfLayer [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: com/legacy/lost_aether/entity/AerwhaleKingEntity (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.legacy.lost_aether.entity.AerwhaleKingEntity) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: mezz/modnametooltip/TooltipEventHandler (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: mezz.modnametooltip.TooltipEventHandler) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: me/shedaniel/rei/impl/client/ClientHelperImpl (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: me.shedaniel.rei.impl.client.ClientHelperImpl) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: noobanidus/mods/lootr/config/ConfigManager (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: noobanidus.mods.lootr.config.ConfigManager) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: dan200/computercraft/shared/integration/MoreRedIntegration (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: dan200.computercraft.shared.integration.MoreRedIntegration) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: @Mixin target dan200.computercraft.shared.integration.MoreRedIntegration was not found create_central_kitchen.mixins.json:common.computercraft.MoreRedIntegrationMixin [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: com/sammy/minersdelight/content/block/copper_pot/CopperPotBlockEntity (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sammy.minersdelight.content.block.copper_pot.CopperPotBlockEntity) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: @Mixin target com.sammy.minersdelight.content.block.copper_pot.CopperPotBlockEntity was not found create_central_kitchen.mixins.json:common.minersdelight.CopperPotBlockEntityMixin [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: com/sammy/minersdelight/content/block/sticky_basket/StickyBasketBlockEntity (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sammy.minersdelight.content.block.sticky_basket.StickyBasketBlockEntity) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: @Mixin target com.sammy.minersdelight.content.block.sticky_basket.StickyBasketBlockEntity was not found create_central_kitchen.mixins.json:common.minersdelight.StickyBasketBlockEntityAccessor [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: com/sammy/minersdelight/content/block/sticky_basket/StickyBasketBlockEntity (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sammy.minersdelight.content.block.sticky_basket.StickyBasketBlockEntity) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: @Mixin target com.sammy.minersdelight.content.block.sticky_basket.StickyBasketBlockEntity was not found create_central_kitchen.mixins.json:common.minersdelight.StickyBasketBlockEntityMixin [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: net/orcinus/overweightfarming/blocks/CropFullBlock (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: net.orcinus.overweightfarming.blocks.CropFullBlock) [20:25:36] [main/WARN] [mixin/]: @Mixin target net.orcinus.overweightfarming.blocks.CropFullBlock was not found create_central_kitchen.mixins.json:common.overweightfarming.CropFullBlockMixin [20:25:37] [main/INFO] [MixinExtras|Service/]: Initializing MixinExtras via com.llamalad7.mixinextras.service.MixinExtrasServiceImpl(version=0.4.0). [20:25:38] [main/INFO] [ne.mi.co.Co.placebo/COREMODLOG]: Patching IForgeItemStack#getEnchantmentLevel [20:25:38] [main/INFO] [ne.mi.co.Co.placebo/COREMODLOG]: Patching IForgeItemStack#getEnchantmentLevel [20:25:39] [main/INFO] [ne.mi.co.Co.attributeslib/COREMODLOG]: Patching EffectRenderingInventoryScreen#renderEffects [20:25:39] [main/INFO] [ne.mi.co.Co.attributeslib/COREMODLOG]: Patching EffectRenderingInventoryScreen#renderEffects [20:25:40] [pool-7-thread-1/INFO] [ne.mi.co.Co.placebo/COREMODLOG]: Patching IForgeItemStack#getEnchantmentLevel [20:25:40] [pool-7-thread-1/INFO] [ne.mi.co.Co.placebo/COREMODLOG]: Patching IForgeItemStack#getEnchantmentLevel [20:25:40] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [mixin/]: @Final field f_31427_:[I in mixins.epicfight.json:MixinWitherBoss should be final [20:25:40] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [mixin/]: @Final field f_31428_:[I in mixins.epicfight.json:MixinWitherBoss should be final [20:25:41] [Datafixer Bootstrap/INFO] [mojang/DataFixerBuilder]: 188 Datafixer optimizations took 107 milliseconds [20:25:42] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [minecraft/SynchedEntityData]: defineId called for: class net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity from class yesman.epicfight.world.capabilities.entitypatch.LivingEntityPatch [20:25:42] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [minecraft/SynchedEntityData]: defineId called for: class net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity from class yesman.epicfight.world.capabilities.entitypatch.LivingEntityPatch [20:25:42] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [minecraft/SynchedEntityData]: defineId called for: class net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity from class yesman.epicfight.world.capabilities.entitypatch.LivingEntityPatch [20:25:42] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [minecraft/SynchedEntityData]: defineId called for: class net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity from class yesman.epicfight.world.capabilities.entitypatch.LivingEntityPatch [20:25:42] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [mixin/]: Method overwrite conflict for scheduleRandomTick in corgilib-common.mixins.json:chunk.MixinChunkAccess, previously written by dev.corgitaco.ohthetreesyoullgrow.mixin.chunk.MixinChunkAccess. Skipping method. [20:25:42] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [mixin/]: Method overwrite conflict for getScheduledRandomTicks in corgilib-common.mixins.json:chunk.MixinChunkAccess, previously written by dev.corgitaco.ohthetreesyoullgrow.mixin.chunk.MixinChunkAccess. Skipping method. [20:25:43] [pool-7-thread-1/WARN] [mixin/]: Mixin alexscaves.mixins.json:SwampHutPieceMixin has multiple constructors, (Lnet/minecraft/world/level/levelgen/structure/pieces/StructurePieceType;IIIIIILnet/minecraft/core/Direction;)V was selected [20:25:43] [pool-7-thread-1/INFO] [ne.mi.co.Co.exdeorum/COREMODLOG]: Successfully patched End City generation for void worlds [20:25:43] [Render thread/WARN] [mixin/]: Error loading class: net/caffeinemc/mods/sodium/api/memory/MemoryIntrinsics (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: net.caffeinemc.mods.sodium.api.memory.MemoryIntrinsics) Exception in thread "Render thread" java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchServiceHandlerDecorator.launch(LaunchServiceHandlerDecorator.java:32)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchServiceHandler.launch(LaunchServiceHandler.java:53)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchServiceHandler.launch(LaunchServiceHandler.java:71)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher.run(Launcher.java:108)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:78)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.BootstrapLaunchConsumer.accept(BootstrapLaunchConsumer.java:26)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.BootstrapLaunchConsumer.accept(BootstrapLaunchConsumer.java:23)     at [email protected]/cpw.mods.bootstraplauncher.BootstrapLauncher.main(BootstrapLauncher.java:141) Caused by: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException     at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)     at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:77)     at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)     at java.base/java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:568)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.targets.CommonLaunchHandler.runTarget(CommonLaunchHandler.java:111)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.targets.CommonLaunchHandler.clientService(CommonLaunchHandler.java:99)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.targets.CommonClientLaunchHandler.lambda$makeService$0(CommonClientLaunchHandler.java:25)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchServiceHandlerDecorator.launch(LaunchServiceHandlerDecorator.java:30)     ... 7 more Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class com.mojang.blaze3d.systems.RenderSystem     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/net.minecraft.SystemReport.m_143522_(SystemReport.java:66)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.m_167850_(Minecraft.java:2339)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.m_167872_(Minecraft.java:2332)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/net.minecraft.client.main.Main.main(Main.java:191)     ... 15 more Caused by: java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError: Exception org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.transformer.throwables.MixinTransformerError: An unexpected critical error was encountered [in thread "Render thread"]     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/org.spongepowered.mixin/org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.transformer.MixinProcessor.applyMixins(MixinProcessor.java:392)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/org.spongepowered.mixin/org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.transformer.MixinTransformer.transformClass(MixinTransformer.java:250)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/org.spongepowered.mixin/org.spongepowered.asm.service.modlauncher.MixinTransformationHandler.processClass(MixinTransformationHandler.java:131)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/org.spongepowered.mixin/org.spongepowered.asm.launch.MixinLaunchPluginLegacy.processClass(MixinLaunchPluginLegacy.java:131)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.serviceapi.ILaunchPluginService.processClassWithFlags(ILaunchPluginService.java:156)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchPluginHandler.offerClassNodeToPlugins(LaunchPluginHandler.java:88)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.ClassTransformer.transform(ClassTransformer.java:120)     at MC-BOOTSTRAP/[email protected]/cpw.mods.modlauncher.TransformingClassLoader.maybeTransformClassBytes(TransformingClassLoader.java:50)     at cpw.mods.securejarhandler/cpw.mods.cl.ModuleClassLoader.readerToClass(ModuleClassLoader.java:113)     at cpw.mods.securejarhandler/cpw.mods.cl.ModuleClassLoader.lambda$findClass$15(ModuleClassLoader.java:219)     at cpw.mods.securejarhandler/cpw.mods.cl.ModuleClassLoader.loadFromModule(ModuleClassLoader.java:229)     at cpw.mods.securejarhandler/cpw.mods.cl.ModuleClassLoader.findClass(ModuleClassLoader.java:219)     at cpw.mods.securejarhandler/cpw.mods.cl.ModuleClassLoader.loadClass(ModuleClassLoader.java:135)     at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:525)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.mojang.blaze3d.vertex.Tesselator.<init>(Tesselator.java:19)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.mojang.blaze3d.vertex.Tesselator.<init>(Tesselator.java:23)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.mojang.blaze3d.vertex.Tesselator.<clinit>(Tesselator.java:11)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.mojang.blaze3d.systems.RenderSystem.<clinit>(RenderSystem.java:50)     at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/net.minecraft.client.main.Main.main(Main.java:180)     ... 15 more
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      By Ugdhar · Posted

      This is a minecraft forge forum, as explained in the FAQ (https://forums.minecraftforge.net/topic/125488-rules-and-frequently-asked-questions-faq/) and it appears you are using fabric. You would get more/better help posting wherever Fabric support is given.
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      By Ugdhar · Posted

      Please read the FAQ (https://forums.minecraftforge.net/topic/125488-rules-and-frequently-asked-questions-faq/) and post logs as described there.  
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      By Ugdhar · Posted

      Please read the FAQ (https://forums.minecraftforge.net/topic/125488-rules-and-frequently-asked-questions-faq/) and post logs as described. Without them, there is no way to know what is going on.  

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