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Hi, all.

This post is not about criticizing or demand anything. Please do not be offended, i merely trying to understand things why and how.

 

So i saw on Reddit the Fabric team bragging having released their Fabric modloader 2 minutes after mc 1.16 released.

I wonder how can they do that so fast and forge not? Is Forge much more complicated? Do the Forge devs have no time/money/resources?

Is fabric being sponsored? What's holding up the Forge team? Is there anything we can help?

What's the difference between Fabric & Forge?

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I haven't used Fabric before, but from what I've heard:

Forge uses an event driven system. Fabric (IIRC) treats all mods as coremods (mixins).

This makes Fabric significantly more lightweight than Forge,  and therefore quicker to develop and update. I wouldn't be surprised if a Forge update's workload is more than 10 times the workload of a Fabric update.

However, since Fabric mods use mixins, it is very easy to cause incompatibilities between mods (think of Forge coremods), while Forge's event system can theoretically supports infinite amount of mods.

 

Apart from that, Forge has a much bigger user base than Fabric, therefore the Forge team has to respond to more PRs and issues. I imagine this to be very time consuming.

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2. Always post your code.

3. Never copy and paste code. You won't learn anything from doing that.

4. 

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Fabric is INCREDIBLY lightweight, they provide the loader and a minimal API, this allows them to be quite agile but by the same token modders must make heavy use of Mixins (coremods) to write their own hooks into the Minecraft code, which is typically not good for stability if done poorly or when many are combined in a single modpack.

 

Forge on the other hand is a bit of a fat bastard but comes with a ton of utilities and hooks set up with the goal of providing everything a modder needs so they never need to directly modifiy the Minecraft code, essentially Forge tries to do the ugly so modders never have to.

This is my Forum Signature, I am currently attempting to transform it into a small guide for fixing easier issues using spoiler blocks to keep things tidy.

 

As the most common issue I feel I should put this outside the main bulk:

The only official source for Forge is https://files.minecraftforge.net, and the only site I trust for getting mods is CurseForge.

If you use any site other than these, please take a look at the StopModReposts project and install their browser extension, I would also advise running a virus scan.

 

For players asking for assistance with Forge please expand the spoiler below and read the appropriate section(s) in its/their entirety.

Spoiler

Logs (Most issues require logs to diagnose):

Spoiler

Please post logs using one of the following sites (Thank you Lumber Wizard for the list):

https://gist.github.com/100MB Requires member (Free)

https://pastebin.com/: 512KB as guest, 10MB as Pro ($$$)

https://hastebin.com/: 400KB

Do NOT use sites like Mediafire, Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, or a site that has a countdown before offering downloads.

 

What to provide:

...for Crashes and Runtime issues:

Minecraft 1.14.4 and newer:

Post debug.log

Older versions:

Please update...

 

...for Installer Issues:

Post your installer log, found in the same place you ran the installer

This log will be called either installer.log or named the same as the installer but with .log on the end

Note for Windows users:

Windows hides file extensions by default so the installer may appear without the .jar extension then when the .log is added the log will appear with the .jar extension

 

Where to get it:

Mojang Launcher: When using the Mojang launcher debug.log is found in .minecraft\logs.

 

Curse/Overwolf: If you are using the Curse Launcher, their configurations break Forge's log settings, fortunately there is an easier workaround than I originally thought, this works even with Curse's installation of the Minecraft launcher as long as it is not launched THROUGH Twitch:

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  1. Make sure you have the correct version of Forge installed (some packs are heavily dependent on one specific build of Forge)
  2. Make a launcher profile targeting this version of Forge.
  3. Set the launcher profile's GameDir property to the pack's instance folder (not the instances folder, the folder that has the pack's name on it).
  4. Now launch the pack through that profile and follow the "Mojang Launcher" instructions above.

Video:

Spoiler

 

 

 

or alternately, 

 

Fallback ("No logs are generated"):

If you don't see logs generated in the usual place, provide the launcher_log.txt from .minecraft

 

Server Not Starting:

Spoiler

If your server does not start or a command window appears and immediately goes away, run the jar manually and provide the output.

 

Reporting Illegal/Inappropriate Adfocus Ads:

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Get a screenshot of the URL bar or copy/paste the whole URL into a thread on the General Discussion board with a description of the Ad.

Lex will need the Ad ID contained in that URL to report it to Adfocus' support team.

 

Posting your mod as a GitHub Repo:

Spoiler

When you have an issue with your mod the most helpful thing you can do when asking for help is to provide your code to those helping you. The most convenient way to do this is via GitHub or another source control hub.

When setting up a GitHub Repo it might seem easy to just upload everything, however this method has the potential for mistakes that could lead to trouble later on, it is recommended to use a Git client or to get comfortable with the Git command line. The following instructions will use the Git Command Line and as such they assume you already have it installed and that you have created a repository.

 

  1. Open a command prompt (CMD, Powershell, Terminal, etc).
  2. Navigate to the folder you extracted Forge’s MDK to (the one that had all the licenses in).
  3. Run the following commands:
    1. git init
    2. git remote add origin [Your Repository's URL]
      • In the case of GitHub it should look like: https://GitHub.com/[Your Username]/[Repo Name].git
    3. git fetch
    4. git checkout --track origin/master
    5. git stage *
    6. git commit -m "[Your commit message]"
    7. git push
  4. Navigate to GitHub and you should now see most of the files.
    • note that it is intentional that some are not synced with GitHub and this is done with the (hidden) .gitignore file that Forge’s MDK has provided (hence the strictness on which folder git init is run from)
  5. Now you can share your GitHub link with those who you are asking for help.

[Workaround line, please ignore]

 

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This has been asked and answered many many times...

Our mod launcher was updated to 1.16 about 18 months before it even came out. Considering our mod launcher doesn't care what you target. It works for any java application doesn't even have to be Minecraft.

 

As for MCP, it took about 35 seconds for the RC1->Release process to run.

About about 55 mins for the unit tests to run and make sure things wouldn't break for end users.

1.16->1.16.1 again took about 30 seconds, with another 55 mins of testing and making sure shit won't break.

I could slap something together that "works" and release it. I could, but i won't.

It's a matter of scope, and quality.

 

 

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There's definitely drama between small groups in Forge and Fabric, some of Fabric's fans have been anti-Forge since before Fabric was a thing and now they have a non-Forge loader to hide behind.

I haven't personally seen their Forge counterparts, but Fabric's Discord moderators have assured me they exist.

This is my Forum Signature, I am currently attempting to transform it into a small guide for fixing easier issues using spoiler blocks to keep things tidy.

 

As the most common issue I feel I should put this outside the main bulk:

The only official source for Forge is https://files.minecraftforge.net, and the only site I trust for getting mods is CurseForge.

If you use any site other than these, please take a look at the StopModReposts project and install their browser extension, I would also advise running a virus scan.

 

For players asking for assistance with Forge please expand the spoiler below and read the appropriate section(s) in its/their entirety.

Spoiler

Logs (Most issues require logs to diagnose):

Spoiler

Please post logs using one of the following sites (Thank you Lumber Wizard for the list):

https://gist.github.com/100MB Requires member (Free)

https://pastebin.com/: 512KB as guest, 10MB as Pro ($$$)

https://hastebin.com/: 400KB

Do NOT use sites like Mediafire, Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, or a site that has a countdown before offering downloads.

 

What to provide:

...for Crashes and Runtime issues:

Minecraft 1.14.4 and newer:

Post debug.log

Older versions:

Please update...

 

...for Installer Issues:

Post your installer log, found in the same place you ran the installer

This log will be called either installer.log or named the same as the installer but with .log on the end

Note for Windows users:

Windows hides file extensions by default so the installer may appear without the .jar extension then when the .log is added the log will appear with the .jar extension

 

Where to get it:

Mojang Launcher: When using the Mojang launcher debug.log is found in .minecraft\logs.

 

Curse/Overwolf: If you are using the Curse Launcher, their configurations break Forge's log settings, fortunately there is an easier workaround than I originally thought, this works even with Curse's installation of the Minecraft launcher as long as it is not launched THROUGH Twitch:

Spoiler
  1. Make sure you have the correct version of Forge installed (some packs are heavily dependent on one specific build of Forge)
  2. Make a launcher profile targeting this version of Forge.
  3. Set the launcher profile's GameDir property to the pack's instance folder (not the instances folder, the folder that has the pack's name on it).
  4. Now launch the pack through that profile and follow the "Mojang Launcher" instructions above.

Video:

Spoiler

 

 

 

or alternately, 

 

Fallback ("No logs are generated"):

If you don't see logs generated in the usual place, provide the launcher_log.txt from .minecraft

 

Server Not Starting:

Spoiler

If your server does not start or a command window appears and immediately goes away, run the jar manually and provide the output.

 

Reporting Illegal/Inappropriate Adfocus Ads:

Spoiler

Get a screenshot of the URL bar or copy/paste the whole URL into a thread on the General Discussion board with a description of the Ad.

Lex will need the Ad ID contained in that URL to report it to Adfocus' support team.

 

Posting your mod as a GitHub Repo:

Spoiler

When you have an issue with your mod the most helpful thing you can do when asking for help is to provide your code to those helping you. The most convenient way to do this is via GitHub or another source control hub.

When setting up a GitHub Repo it might seem easy to just upload everything, however this method has the potential for mistakes that could lead to trouble later on, it is recommended to use a Git client or to get comfortable with the Git command line. The following instructions will use the Git Command Line and as such they assume you already have it installed and that you have created a repository.

 

  1. Open a command prompt (CMD, Powershell, Terminal, etc).
  2. Navigate to the folder you extracted Forge’s MDK to (the one that had all the licenses in).
  3. Run the following commands:
    1. git init
    2. git remote add origin [Your Repository's URL]
      • In the case of GitHub it should look like: https://GitHub.com/[Your Username]/[Repo Name].git
    3. git fetch
    4. git checkout --track origin/master
    5. git stage *
    6. git commit -m "[Your commit message]"
    7. git push
  4. Navigate to GitHub and you should now see most of the files.
    • note that it is intentional that some are not synced with GitHub and this is done with the (hidden) .gitignore file that Forge’s MDK has provided (hence the strictness on which folder git init is run from)
  5. Now you can share your GitHub link with those who you are asking for help.

[Workaround line, please ignore]

 

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On 6/25/2020 at 11:08 PM, winnetrie said:

On fabric they say : forge is old and laggy. Fabric is new and shiny.

If someone benchmarks a clean Forge install and a Fabric install, then the performance might be a tiny bit (not even noticeable) better on Fabric's side due to its lightweight.

However such result is not conclusive, as Forge does a lot more (event system, utils, etc) than Fabric. Try benchmarking both API with 100+ mods and Forge API will manifest its advantage.

Judging APIs solely for its performance is like comparing Tetris to a first person shooter game. "Hey Tetris uses up less RAM and CPU so it is much better than the FPS game!"

 

But yeah, people might prefer Fabric if all they want is to add a simple tweak/mod to the game. At the end of the day, it is really up to the user and his/her use case.

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Some tips:

Spoiler

Modder Support:

Spoiler

1. Do not follow tutorials on YouTube, especially TechnoVision (previously called Loremaster) and HarryTalks, due to their promotion of bad practice and usage of outdated code.

2. Always post your code.

3. Never copy and paste code. You won't learn anything from doing that.

4. 

Quote

Programming via Eclipse's hotfixes will get you nowhere

5. Learn to use your IDE, especially the debugger.

6.

Quote

The "picture that's worth 1000 words" only works if there's an obvious problem or a freehand red circle around it.

Support & Bug Reports:

Spoiler

1. Read the EAQ before asking for help. Remember to provide the appropriate log(s).

2. Versions below 1.11 are no longer supported due to their age. Update to a modern version of Minecraft to receive support.

 

 

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{re:mixin,pl:accesstransformer:B,pl:runtimedistcleaner:A,re:classloading,pl:accesstransformer:B,pl:mixin:APP:bettercombat.mixins.json:client.MinecraftClientAccessor,pl:mixin:APP:bettercombat.mixins.json:client.MinecraftClientInject,pl:mixin:APP:flywheel.mixins.json:PausedPartialTickAccessor,pl:mixin:APP:architectury.mixins.json:MixinMinecraft,pl:mixin:APP:balm.mixins.json:MinecraftMixin,pl:mixin:APP:waterframes.mixin.json:MinecraftMixin,pl:mixin:APP:playerrevive.mixins.json:MinecraftAccessor,pl:mixin:APP:create.mixins.json:client.WindowResizeMixin,pl:mixin:APP:securitycraft.mixins.json:camera.MinecraftMixin,pl:mixin:A,pl:runtimedistcleaner:A}     at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.m_91374_(Minecraft.java:665) ~[client-1.18.2-20220404.173914-srg.jar%2399!/:?] {re:mixin,pl:accesstransformer:B,pl:runtimedistcleaner:A,re:classloading,pl:accesstransformer:B,pl:mixin:APP:bettercombat.mixins.json:client.MinecraftClientAccessor,pl:mixin:APP:bettercombat.mixins.json:client.MinecraftClientInject,pl:mixin:APP:flywheel.mixins.json:PausedPartialTickAccessor,pl:mixin:APP:architectury.mixins.json:MixinMinecraft,pl:mixin:APP:balm.mixins.json:MinecraftMixin,pl:mixin:APP:waterframes.mixin.json:MinecraftMixin,pl:mixin:APP:playerrevive.mixins.json:MinecraftAccessor,pl:mixin:APP:create.mixins.json:client.WindowResizeMixin,pl:mixin:APP:securitycraft.mixins.json:camera.MinecraftMixin,pl:mixin:A,pl:runtimedistcleaner:A}     at net.minecraft.client.main.Main.main(Main.java:205) ~[client-1.18.2-20220404.173914-srg.jar%2399!/:?] {re:classloading,re:mixin,pl:runtimedistcleaner:A,pl:mixin:A,pl:runtimedistcleaner:A}     at jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) ~[?:?] {}     at jdk.internal.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:77) ~[?:?] {}     at jdk.internal.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43) ~[?:?] {}     at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:568) ~[?:?] {}     at net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.targets.CommonClientLaunchHandler.lambda$launchService$0(CommonClientLaunchHandler.java:31) ~[fmlloader-1.18.2-40.2.4.jar%2318!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchServiceHandlerDecorator.launch(LaunchServiceHandlerDecorator.java:37) [modlauncher-9.1.3.jar%235!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchServiceHandler.launch(LaunchServiceHandler.java:53) [modlauncher-9.1.3.jar%235!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.modlauncher.LaunchServiceHandler.launch(LaunchServiceHandler.java:71) [modlauncher-9.1.3.jar%235!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher.run(Launcher.java:106) [modlauncher-9.1.3.jar%235!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:77) [modlauncher-9.1.3.jar%235!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.modlauncher.BootstrapLaunchConsumer.accept(BootstrapLaunchConsumer.java:26) [modlauncher-9.1.3.jar%235!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.modlauncher.BootstrapLaunchConsumer.accept(BootstrapLaunchConsumer.java:23) [modlauncher-9.1.3.jar%235!/:?] {}     at cpw.mods.bootstraplauncher.BootstrapLauncher.main(BootstrapLauncher.java:149) [bootstraplauncher-1.0.0.jar:?] {} -- Last reload -- Details:     Reload number: 1     Reload reason: initial     Finished: No     Packs: Default, Mod Resources -- System Details -- Details:     Minecraft Version: 1.18.2     Minecraft Version ID: 1.18.2     Operating System: Windows 10 (amd64) version 10.0     Java Version: 17.0.1, Microsoft     Java VM Version: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (mixed mode), Microsoft     Memory: 1178886632 bytes (1124 MiB) / 2113929216 bytes (2016 MiB) up to 2113929216 bytes (2016 MiB)     CPUs: 4     Processor Vendor: GenuineIntel     Processor Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-5005U CPU @ 2.00GHz     Identifier: Intel64 Family 6 Model 61 Stepping 4     Microarchitecture: Broadwell (Client)     Frequency (GHz): 2,00     Number of physical packages: 1     Number of physical CPUs: 2     Number of logical CPUs: 4     Graphics card #0 name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 5500     Graphics card #0 vendor: Intel Corporation (0x8086)     Graphics card #0 VRAM (MB): 1024,00     Graphics card #0 deviceId: 0x1616     Graphics card #0 versionInfo: DriverVersion=20.19.15.4835     Memory slot #0 capacity (MB): 4096,00     Memory slot #0 clockSpeed (GHz): 1,60     Memory slot #0 type: DDR3     Virtual memory max (MB): 13513,16     Virtual memory used (MB): 10482,60     Swap memory total (MB): 9506,55     Swap memory used (MB): 1887,78     JVM Flags: 8 total; -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:G1NewSizePercent=20 -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=50 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=16M -Xmx2003m -XX:HeapDumpPath=MojangTricksIntelDriversForPerformance_javaw.exe_minecraft.exe.heapdump     Launched Version: 1.18.2-forge-40.2.4     Backend library: LWJGL version 3.2.2 SNAPSHOT     Backend API: Intel(R) HD Graphics 5500 GL version 3.2.0 - Build 20.19.15.4835, Intel     Window size: 854x480     GL Caps: Using framebuffer using OpenGL 3.2     GL debug messages:      Using VBOs: Yes     Is Modded: Definitely; Client brand changed to 'forge'     Type: Client (map_client.txt)     Graphics mode: fancy     Resource Packs:      Current Language: English (US)     CPU: 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-5005U CPU @ 2.00GHz     ModLauncher: 9.1.3+9.1.3+main.9b69c82a     ModLauncher launch target: forgeclient     ModLauncher naming: srg     ModLauncher services:           mixin PLUGINSERVICE           eventbus PLUGINSERVICE           slf4jfixer PLUGINSERVICE           object_holder_definalize PLUGINSERVICE           runtime_enum_extender PLUGINSERVICE           capability_token_subclass PLUGINSERVICE           accesstransformer PLUGINSERVICE           runtimedistcleaner PLUGINSERVICE           mixin TRANSFORMATIONSERVICE           fml TRANSFORMATIONSERVICE      FML Language Providers:          minecraft@1.0         lowcodefml@null         javafml@null     Mod List:          client-1.18.2-20220404.173914-srg.jar             |Minecraft                     |minecraft                     |1.18.2              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: a1:d4:5e:04:4f:d3:d6:e0:7b:37:97:cf:77:b0:de:ad:4a:47:ce:8c:96:49:5f:0a:cf:8c:ae:b2:6d:4b:8a:3f         player-animation-lib-forge-1.0.21.18.jar          |Player Animator               |playeranimator                |1.0.2+1.18          |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         CreativeCore_FORGE_v2.6.16_mc1.18.2 (1).jar       |CreativeCore                  |creativecore                  |0.0NONE             |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         jei-1.18.2-9.7.1.255.jar                          |Just Enough Items             |jei                           |9.7.1.255           |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         born_in_chaos_Forge1.18.2_1.13.jar                |Born in Chaos                 |born_in_chaos_v1              |1.0.0               |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         FancyVideo-API-forge-2.2.0.0.jar                  |FancyVideo API                |fancyvideo_api                |2.2.0.0             |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         sophisticatedcore-1.18.2-0.5.68.310_1.jar         |Sophisticated Core            |sophisticatedcore             |1.18.2-0.5.68.310   |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         curios-forge-1.18.2-5.0.9.0.jar                   |Curios API                    |curios                        |1.18.2-5.0.9.0      |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         flywheel-forge-1.18.2-0.6.8.a-99.jar              |Flywheel                      |flywheel                      |0.6.8.a-99          |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         create-1.18.2-0.5.1.b.jar                         |Create                        |create                        |0.5.1.b             |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         waystones-forge-1.18.2-10.2.1.jar                 |Waystones                     |waystones                     |10.2.1              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         collective-1.18.2-6.55.jar                        |Collective                    |collective                    |6.55                |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         WeaponThrow-1.18.2-5.7.jar                        |Weapon Throw                  |weaponthrow                   |1.18.2-5.7          |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         CTM-1.18.2-1.1.55.jar                             |ConnectedTexturesMod          |ctm                           |1.18.2-1.1.5+5      |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         modernlife-1.18.2-1.54.jar                        |Modern Life                   |modernlife                    |1.18.2-1.54         |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         1.18.2SecurityCraftv1.9.6.1.jar                   |SecurityCraft                 |securitycraft                 |1.9.6.1             |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         artifacts-1.18.2-4.2.1.jar                        |Artifacts                     |artifacts                     |1.18.2-4.2.1        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         CustomPlayerModels-1.18-0.6.8a.jar                |Customizable Player Models    |cpm                           |0.6.8a              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         elevatorid-1.18.2-1.8.4.jar                       |Elevator Mod                  |elevatorid                    |1.18.2-1.8.4        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         sophisticatedbackpacks-1.18.2-3.18.52.846_1.jar   |Sophisticated Backpacks       |sophisticatedbackpacks        |1.18.2-3.18.52.846  |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         MoreVanillaArmor-1.18.2-3.1.2_1.jar               |MoreVanillaArmor              |morevanillaarmor              |1.18.2-3.1.2        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         architectury-4.11.93-forge.jar                    |Architectury                  |architectury                  |4.11.93             |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         ftb-library-forge-1802.3.11-build.177.jar         |FTB Library                   |ftblibrary                    |1802.3.11-build.177 |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         item-filters-forge-1802.2.8-build.50.jar          |Item Filters                  |itemfilters                   |1802.2.8-build.50   |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         balm-3.2.6.jar                                    |Balm                          |balm                          |3.2.6               |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         immersive_armors-1.5.51.18.2-forge.jar            |Immersive Armors              |immersive_armors              |1.5.5+1.18.2        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         VideoPlayer-1.0-RELEASE-1.18.2.jar                |VideoPlayer                   |videoplayer                   |1.0                 |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         ftb-teams-forge-1802.2.10-build.96.jar            |FTB Teams                     |ftbteams                      |1802.2.10-build.96  |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         ftb-quests-forge-1802.3.14-build.191.jar          |FTB Quests                    |ftbquests                     |1802.3.14-build.191 |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         cloth-config-6.4.90-forge.jar                     |Cloth Config v4 API           |cloth_config                  |6.4.90              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         voicechat-forge-1.18.2-2.4.8.jar                  |Simple Voice Chat             |voicechat                     |1.18.2-2.4.8        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         bettercombat-forge-1.6.21.18.2.jar                |Better Combat                 |bettercombat                  |1.6.2+1.18.2        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         soundphysics-forge-1.18.2-1.0.6.jar               |Sound Physics Remastered      |sound_physics_remastered      |1.18.2-1.0.6        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         forge-1.18.2-40.2.4-universal.jar                 |Forge                         |forge                         |40.2.4              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: 84:ce:76:e8:45:35:e4:0e:63:86:df:47:59:80:0f:67:6c:c1:5f:6e:5f:4d:b3:54:47:1a:9f:7f:ed:5e:f2:90         appleskin-forge-mc1.18.2-2.4.1.jar                |AppleSkin                     |appleskin                     |2.4.1+mc1.18.2      |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         infinitetrading-1.18.2-4.0.jar                    |Infinite Trading              |infinitetrading               |4.0                 |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         RPG_style_more_weapons_4.6.2RF.jar                |RPG_style_More_Weapons        |rpgsmw                        |4.6.2               |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         expandability-6.0.0.jar                           |ExpandAbility                 |expandability                 |6.0.0               |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         CosmeticArmorReworked-1.18.2-v2a.jar              |CosmeticArmorReworked         |cosmeticarmorreworked         |1.18.2-v2a          |COMMON_SET|Manifest: 5e:ed:25:99:e4:44:14:c0:dd:89:c1:a9:4c:10:b5:0d:e4:b1:52:50:45:82:13:d8:d0:32:89:67:56:57:01:53         WATERFrAMES-1.18.2-1.2.0c.jar                     |WATERFrAMES                   |waterframes                   |1.18.2-1.2.0c       |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         PlayerRevive_FORGE_v2.0.13_mc1.18.2.jar           |PlayerRevive                  |playerrevive                  |2.0.13              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         geckolib-forge-1.18-3.0.57.jar                    |GeckoLib                      |geckolib3                     |3.0.57              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         emotecraft-for-MC1.18.2-2.2.5-forge.jar           |Emotecraft                    |emotecraft                    |2.2.5               |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         UndeadUnleashed-1.0.3b-1.18.2.jar                 |Undead Unleashed              |undead_unleashed              |1.0.3               |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         enemyexpansion1.13requiresgeckolib.jar            |Enemy Expansion               |enemyexpansion                |1.12.1              |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         corpse-1.18.2-1.0.1.jar                           |Corpse                        |corpse                        |1.18.2-1.0.1        |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE         chipped-forge-1.18.2-2.0.1.jar                    |Chipped                       |chipped                       |2.0.1               |COMMON_SET|Manifest: NOSIGNATURE     Flywheel Backend: Uninitialized     Crash Report UUID: 4f21a8e0-8d7b-4225-93a9-f3f3501d162c     FML: 40.2     Forge: net.minecraftforge:40.2.4
    • I'm new to modding, but I've been able to figure out a lot of stuff alone, using the Forge forums, documentation, open-source mods, tutorials. So far so good. But I've now run into an issue that I can't seem to find a solution for on my own. Hoping someone who understands the minecraft worldgen to pitch in.   I've been able to extend Overworld depth (using data packs) by providing a data folder within my mod. Namely, I've had to provide a minecraft/dimension_type/overworld.json and a minecraft/noise_settings/overworld.json, only changing the logical_height, min_y, height fields.   The issue is, a lot of the logic in my mod relies on the world depth, which I would like to be configurable by the mod user. I could have the config affect only my mod logic and leave it to the user to also provide their own datapack, but that's 2 steps. If it was possible to just have 1 step (i.e. config only or datapack only), I would want to implement that. So I would have to find a way where the datapack's fields get their values from config (doesn't seem possible) or I would have to do this in code.   I looked into net.minecraft.world.level.levelgen.NoiseSettings and tried to shadow overworldNoiseSettings and looked into net.minecraft.world.level.dimension.DimensionType and tried to shadow DEFAULT_OVERWORLD. The shadow implementation is simply a copy-paste of the original, save for changing the -64 and 384 values to be fetched from config. This did not work; the world still ends at -64. I know the shadowing works though, because inputting an invalid height in the config causes the game to crash with the invalid height message. It's just that when the world loads under a valid height, it doesn't go beyond -64. I then did a long search and found net.minecraft.world.level.dimension.DimensionDefaults and tried to shadow the OVERWORLD variables. This did not work either; same problem. I looked into so many other classes related to world gen, but they all seemed to directly or indirectly fetch their value from NoiseSettings; so I figured I shouldn't mess with those. I was suspicious of Y_SIZE, MAX_Y, MIN_Y in DimensionType, but when I tried to shadow those, the game crashed at the world creation screen (as soon as you click Singleplayer) with the error saying something about an unbound registry key. If you would like the error log, please let me know. I didn't provide it because I feel like those variables aren't meant to be shadowed.   I feel like I'm doing this very wrong. It's like there is some variable I need to shadow somewhere; but I have very little knowledge of any of this game's code, let alone world gen. Hoping someone with more knowledge could point me somewhere. Is what I'm looking for even possible?   UNRELATED (but might be of help for someone searching the forums in the future): If you run into the MC-237017 issue, where lava aquifers would fill the deeper parts of the world, you can fix it using a mixin to shadow globalFluidPicker of NoiseBasedChunkGenerator.
    • I'm having issues spawning my flying entity in my custom biome, heres what I have currently: Inside my biomes json: "spawners": { "creature": [ { "type": "frv:zephxen", "maxCount": 2, "minCount": 1, "weight": 10 } ] }, "spawn_costs": {},   How I'm calling the SpawnPlacementRegisterEvent:   @SubscribeEvent public static void entitySpawnRestriction(SpawnPlacementRegisterEvent event) { event.register(EntitiesSTLCON.ZEPHXEN.get(), SpawnPlacements.Type.ON_GROUND, Heightmap.Types.MOTION_BLOCKING_NO_LEAVES, Zephxen::checkZephxenSpawnRules, SpawnPlacementRegisterEvent.Operation.OR); }   Finally this is how I registered the entity: public static final RegistryObject<EntityType<Zephxen>> ZEPHXEN = ENTITY_TYPES.register("zephxen", () -> EntityType.Builder.of(Zephxen::new, MobCategory.CREATURE) .sized(2.3f, 2.3f).canSpawnFarFromPlayer().clientTrackingRange(10) .build(new ResourceLocation(STLCON.MOD_ID, "zephxen").toString()));     So the problem/bug that I have is that they do spawn when I teleport to that specific biome they're supposed to spawn, but they only spawn in that area that I've teleported, when I explore my biome further they don't spawn, even if I teleport couple thousand blocks and try again in a new biome, still nothing spawns. And also I did play around with weight and min/max spawn count, it is still the same story.   I'm honestly not really sure what else am I missing, thank you in advance 🙏  
    • Can you please clarify? Would this "hidden_item" be a copy of my offhand item--and, when I delete the offhand item after some time, the "hidden_item" would be placed in a free (non-offhand) slot in my inventory? If so, I have tried that and it did not work; explanation is in my code.
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